Comments on: It’s Positively Orwellian in Dogworld http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/ For the love of dogs and their people Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:05:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Laura http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-142 Laura Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:48:41 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-142 My favorite is "praise training". Almost any dog would be thrilled to work for praise only, right? And when your dog doesn't get it, well, that hardly ever happens and your dog is especially stubborn and I guess we'll just have to give her a little yank to get our message across. I think the euphemism for that is "thank 'n yank". My favorite is “praise training”. Almost any dog would be thrilled to work for praise only, right? And when your dog doesn’t get it, well, that hardly ever happens and your dog is especially stubborn and I guess we’ll just have to give her a little yank to get our message across. I think the euphemism for that is “thank ‘n yank”.

]]> By: Misa http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-134 Misa Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:36:48 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-134 I work as a trainer at a big box store and turn people away from the shock collar case as often as I can. It's hard at times to regard these moments that I have with people as being opportunities to help / educate / spread the word about R+ . I would love to hear from other trainers (or anyone!) about effective strategies in these situations. Stating something like "I'd do everything that I could to talk you, dog owner, out of buying something from this display...." is generally a good starting point for me. What are some others that have worked for you? Disappointed in all of the times that the people I speak to say "I've never ever had a problem ever with using a shock collar...." Oh, really? It seems clear that a lot of people choose to not see the damage they do. Great blog, btw! -Misa I work as a trainer at a big box store and turn people away from the shock collar case as often as I can. It’s hard at times to regard these moments that I have with people as being opportunities to help / educate / spread the word about R+ . I would love to hear from other trainers (or anyone!) about effective strategies in these situations. Stating something like “I’d do everything that I could to talk you, dog owner, out of buying something from this display….” is generally a good starting point for me. What are some others that have worked for you?
Disappointed in all of the times that the people I speak to say “I’ve never ever had a problem ever with using a shock collar….” Oh, really? It seems clear that a lot of people choose to not see the damage they do.
Great blog, btw!
-Misa

]]> By: Anne http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-131 Anne Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:44:16 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-131 Thank you for this post. I am also a dog owner in Boulder, CO. I have also long noticed the contradiction with words and euphemisms being used to describe corrections-based training. People should call a spade a spade. At least with traditional dominance-based trainers you can see what they are doing to the dog whether it be hanging them from a choke or prong collar, jerking them off their feet, or throwing throw-chains at them. They may tell you it's really OK, but you can see for yourself that what is being done is not OK. However, trainers who use shock collars for everything are a whole other category and what really concerns me. Here you can't 'see' what is being done because pushing a button takes no effort, the trainer is just standing quiet and still and since they are not physically touching the dog they can't possibly be doing anything harsh, right? you can only see the dog's adverse reaction which is usually only too easy misrepresent to the public as being something less than it really is. They use euphemisms like "tickle" and "buzz" and dress it up as being "gentle" because there's nothing physically touching the animal. I am really disappointed that recently there are more and more exclusively-shock collar trainers setting up business in everywhere including the metro denver area. Thank you for this post. I am also a dog owner in Boulder, CO. I have also long noticed the contradiction with words and euphemisms being used to describe corrections-based training. People should call a spade a spade. At least with traditional dominance-based trainers you can see what they are doing to the dog whether it be hanging them from a choke or prong collar, jerking them off their feet, or throwing throw-chains at them. They may tell you it’s really OK, but you can see for yourself that what is being done is not OK. However, trainers who use shock collars for everything are a whole other category and what really concerns me. Here you can’t ‘see’ what is being done because pushing a button takes no effort, the trainer is just standing quiet and still and since they are not physically touching the dog they can’t possibly be doing anything harsh, right? you can only see the dog’s adverse reaction which is usually only too easy misrepresent to the public as being something less than it really is. They use euphemisms like “tickle” and “buzz” and dress it up as being “gentle” because there’s nothing physically touching the animal. I am really disappointed that recently there are more and more exclusively-shock collar trainers setting up business in everywhere including the metro denver area.

]]> By: Peta Love, Author of Beef Casserole for the Dog's Soul http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-128 Peta Love, Author of Beef Casserole for the Dog's Soul Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:29:09 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-128 Well said Deborah. Just like any new parent, people with a new puppy or dog are extremely vulnerable to big dollar persuasive marketing tricks. The tragedy is that people so want to do the right thing by their new dog or puppy so they put their trust in a "dog trainer" or a large pet product manufacturer imagining the company might have the dog's best interests at heart. Shame that so often their trust is not warranted. I had personal experience of this many years ago. Luckily for me a GOOD trainer, Mary Swinyer, helped turn our albeit small but still horrible situation around. Well said Deborah. Just like any new parent, people with a new puppy or dog are extremely vulnerable to big dollar persuasive marketing tricks.

The tragedy is that people so want to do the right thing by their new dog or puppy so they put their trust in a “dog trainer” or a large pet product manufacturer imagining the company might have the dog’s best interests at heart.

Shame that so often their trust is not warranted. I had personal experience of this many years ago. Luckily for me a GOOD trainer, Mary Swinyer, helped turn our albeit small but still horrible situation around.

]]> By: barrie http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-127 barrie Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:20:24 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-127 Outstanding post, as always!!! Lovelovelove the JD video, I have always taught the dogs to stick their own muzzles through the nose loop but never thought to do the targeting with the GL before that step, will definitely be revamping my intro to GL steps with new dogs as a result!! Outstanding post, as always!!! Lovelovelove the JD video, I have always taught the dogs to stick their own muzzles through the nose loop but never thought to do the targeting with the GL before that step, will definitely be revamping my intro to GL steps with new dogs as a result!!

]]> By: Adina MacRae http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/07/31/its-positively-orwellian-in-the-dogworld/#comment-125 Adina MacRae Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:39:49 +0000 http://www.boulderdog.net/?p=658#comment-125 Hi there, i just wanted to say kudos to you on your excellent blog post "It’s Positively Orwellian in Dogworld." You have really captured the essence of what I have been trying to get across with my efforts. I thought you might be interested in checking out the spin I put on the whole Cesar debate with press release I issued last week in support of the product I invented to help spread the Train Humane message - the Clicker Leash. Here is a link to the press release that I have placed on my blog to get people's feedback http://clickerleash.wordpress.com/. Would love to hear your thoughts! Keep up the the good work! Adina www.clickerleash.com Hi there,
i just wanted to say kudos to you on your excellent blog post “It’s Positively Orwellian in Dogworld.” You have really captured the essence of what I have been trying to get across with my efforts. I thought you might be interested in checking out the spin I put on the whole Cesar debate with press release I issued last week in support of the product I invented to help spread the Train Humane message – the Clicker Leash. Here is a link to the press release that I have placed on my blog to get people’s feedback http://clickerleash.wordpress.com/. Would love to hear your thoughts!
Keep up the the good work!
Adina
http://www.clickerleash.com

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