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	<title>Comments on: Lunch with Turid Rugaas: Am I Driving My Dog Crazy?</title>
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		<title>By: William Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should read: and I directly attribute that to people letting the problem, or symptoms thereof, go on for too long.

I am going to fire my editor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should read: and I directly attribute that to people letting the problem, or symptoms thereof, go on for too long.</p>
<p>I am going to fire my editor!</p>
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		<title>By: William Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/11/05/lunch-with-turid-rugaas-am-i-driving-my-dog-crazy/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>William Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah, While I respect Turid and her work with dogs greatly I feel, that in this instance, she might be incorrect.  I do have to agree with what Edie Jarolim says in her reply about Dr. Dunbar.  I like Turid&#039;s approach to a laid back style but in many cases people not doing for their dog is the basis of so many of a dogs problems.  

While I am certainly no expert in this arena I do work with many dogs whose problems are much more intensified by the time I see them, and I directly attribute that to people the problem, or symptoms thereof, for too long.

I do not know if the problem lies with the breeder or nature but obviously there was some sort of problem from the time you got your pup.  You did the best you could and the problem could have been much more severe had you not gone to puppy class.

I hope this finds you and Sadie doing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah, While I respect Turid and her work with dogs greatly I feel, that in this instance, she might be incorrect.  I do have to agree with what Edie Jarolim says in her reply about Dr. Dunbar.  I like Turid&#8217;s approach to a laid back style but in many cases people not doing for their dog is the basis of so many of a dogs problems.  </p>
<p>While I am certainly no expert in this arena I do work with many dogs whose problems are much more intensified by the time I see them, and I directly attribute that to people the problem, or symptoms thereof, for too long.</p>
<p>I do not know if the problem lies with the breeder or nature but obviously there was some sort of problem from the time you got your pup.  You did the best you could and the problem could have been much more severe had you not gone to puppy class.</p>
<p>I hope this finds you and Sadie doing well.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Greatly appreciated. To answer your question, Turid tapped into a long held concern that I wasn&#039;t as attentive as I could/should have been to Sadie&#039;s stress levels. And given her illnesses that first year of her life, well, that looks like evidence to me that I was pushing her too hard. She much healthier now, although we are currently battling a difficult case of vaginitis. I think we&#039;re on the up side of that, but not entirely sure. We go back to the vet today. I&#039;ve never used DAP, but it&#039;s worth a try! Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Greatly appreciated. To answer your question, Turid tapped into a long held concern that I wasn&#8217;t as attentive as I could/should have been to Sadie&#8217;s stress levels. And given her illnesses that first year of her life, well, that looks like evidence to me that I was pushing her too hard. She much healthier now, although we are currently battling a difficult case of vaginitis. I think we&#8217;re on the up side of that, but not entirely sure. We go back to the vet today. I&#8217;ve never used DAP, but it&#8217;s worth a try! Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Ruth Yasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Ruth Yasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there, I don&#039;t remember how old your dog is now, or how the training is going now? My Tigerlily was a super-duper shy reactive puppy, and I started offering daycare myself here just in order to socialize her &quot;my own way,&quot; giving her the time and support she needed, and the right size and attitude playmates, to become more confident. Don&#039;t beat yourself up! You love your dog, you keep your dog, you grow with your dog, and that&#039;s the deal. If the dog had nothing to teach you, that&#039;s not your dog! Our dogs always teach us, we become more skillful from knowing them. Yes, sure, it can be easy to overwhelm puppies, I&#039;ve seen that happen, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve done it myself with Tigerlily, giving her a bit more than she can chew. But I don&#039;t agree that we should always work sub-threshhold, I do think we have to slowly push that threshhold, and we can expect to make progress. 

Have you made no progress at all, or are you just sad because Sadie&#039;s behavior isn&#039;t perfect yet? A lot of times we don&#039;t focus on all the progress that has been made because the dog is still reactive sometimes. If the dog reacts for shorter periods of time, or less frequently, or even in a different manner, that can all be signs of progress. It takes time! Tigerlily is almost five years old now, and she isn&#039;t perfectly behaved 100% of the time, but I see all sorts of measurable signs of improvement, she is much faster to adapt to new dogs, much less reactive and as long as you can see that, you&#039;re headed in the right direction. 

P.S. I used DAP spray (Dog Appeasing Pheromone) and sprayed it to my pants legs when I brought Tigerlily to early dog/pup classes. I recommend that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there, I don&#8217;t remember how old your dog is now, or how the training is going now? My Tigerlily was a super-duper shy reactive puppy, and I started offering daycare myself here just in order to socialize her &#8220;my own way,&#8221; giving her the time and support she needed, and the right size and attitude playmates, to become more confident. Don&#8217;t beat yourself up! You love your dog, you keep your dog, you grow with your dog, and that&#8217;s the deal. If the dog had nothing to teach you, that&#8217;s not your dog! Our dogs always teach us, we become more skillful from knowing them. Yes, sure, it can be easy to overwhelm puppies, I&#8217;ve seen that happen, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve done it myself with Tigerlily, giving her a bit more than she can chew. But I don&#8217;t agree that we should always work sub-threshhold, I do think we have to slowly push that threshhold, and we can expect to make progress. </p>
<p>Have you made no progress at all, or are you just sad because Sadie&#8217;s behavior isn&#8217;t perfect yet? A lot of times we don&#8217;t focus on all the progress that has been made because the dog is still reactive sometimes. If the dog reacts for shorter periods of time, or less frequently, or even in a different manner, that can all be signs of progress. It takes time! Tigerlily is almost five years old now, and she isn&#8217;t perfectly behaved 100% of the time, but I see all sorts of measurable signs of improvement, she is much faster to adapt to new dogs, much less reactive and as long as you can see that, you&#8217;re headed in the right direction. </p>
<p>P.S. I used DAP spray (Dog Appeasing Pheromone) and sprayed it to my pants legs when I brought Tigerlily to early dog/pup classes. I recommend that.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year or two ago I would have scoffed at your suggestion of massage because Sadie did not like being touched very much. In fact I tried some t-touch and after a few seconds she get up and walked away. But, I&#039;ve noticed that she&#039;s slowing becoming more welcoming of stroking and sometimes actually asks to be touched.

It sounds like you attended Rocky Mountain School of Animal Acupressure and Massage? I didn&#039;t even know of it! I&#039;ll check it out.

In the meantime, if you know of massage therapists in Boulder who you think are top notch I&#039;d be interested in  knowing about them. If you want to send that info confidentially, go to the contact page of this blog site.

It&#039;s very sweet of you to be thinking of Sadie and me. We both appreciate it a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year or two ago I would have scoffed at your suggestion of massage because Sadie did not like being touched very much. In fact I tried some t-touch and after a few seconds she get up and walked away. But, I&#8217;ve noticed that she&#8217;s slowing becoming more welcoming of stroking and sometimes actually asks to be touched.</p>
<p>It sounds like you attended Rocky Mountain School of Animal Acupressure and Massage? I didn&#8217;t even know of it! I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if you know of massage therapists in Boulder who you think are top notch I&#8217;d be interested in  knowing about them. If you want to send that info confidentially, go to the contact page of this blog site.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very sweet of you to be thinking of Sadie and me. We both appreciate it a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m embarrassed to admit it took me this long to come up with this suggestion (being a canine massager therapist, and all) but a consistent massage routine can also help take the edge off your dog&#039;s anxieties and allow her to feel more confident.  I worked with a fearful dog here in Tucson (Nala, Harley&#039;s best friend) who would shake at the prospect of going into PetSmart, lunge aggressively at anyone or anything that got too close, scamper behind the largest member of the human pack (usually me) at any sound.  
     I worked with her for about 4-6 weeks on a therapeutic program designed to help calm her nerves and introduce the concept of relaxation and its benefits.  During our work, her owner mentioned that PetSmart wasn&#039;t such a terrorizing event any more and that she seemed more confident.  The owner is now comfortable enough to consider enrolling her in group obedience and rally classes again.
     We believe Nala&#039;s fear stems from an unprovoked attack at a dog park when she was about 10 months old -- absolutely the worst timing. The other dog had her in a death shake, which she escaped, and then she disappeared for four hours.  She (and her owner) have never gotten past that event.  However, the massage was good for both of them as it allowed them to bond over a very positive and replicable experience.  
     I assume you&#039;re in Boulder -- I know there are a TON of canine massager therapists up there.  If you need help finding one, let me know and I&#039;ll get you in touch with one.  If you want to learn to do it yourself, try Rocky Mountain School of Animal Acupressure &amp; Massage (RMSAAM.com).  It&#039;s the best money I ever spent (and Harley agrees with me!)
k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m embarrassed to admit it took me this long to come up with this suggestion (being a canine massager therapist, and all) but a consistent massage routine can also help take the edge off your dog&#8217;s anxieties and allow her to feel more confident.  I worked with a fearful dog here in Tucson (Nala, Harley&#8217;s best friend) who would shake at the prospect of going into PetSmart, lunge aggressively at anyone or anything that got too close, scamper behind the largest member of the human pack (usually me) at any sound.<br />
     I worked with her for about 4-6 weeks on a therapeutic program designed to help calm her nerves and introduce the concept of relaxation and its benefits.  During our work, her owner mentioned that PetSmart wasn&#8217;t such a terrorizing event any more and that she seemed more confident.  The owner is now comfortable enough to consider enrolling her in group obedience and rally classes again.<br />
     We believe Nala&#8217;s fear stems from an unprovoked attack at a dog park when she was about 10 months old &#8212; absolutely the worst timing. The other dog had her in a death shake, which she escaped, and then she disappeared for four hours.  She (and her owner) have never gotten past that event.  However, the massage was good for both of them as it allowed them to bond over a very positive and replicable experience.<br />
     I assume you&#8217;re in Boulder &#8212; I know there are a TON of canine massager therapists up there.  If you need help finding one, let me know and I&#8217;ll get you in touch with one.  If you want to learn to do it yourself, try Rocky Mountain School of Animal Acupressure &amp; Massage (RMSAAM.com).  It&#8217;s the best money I ever spent (and Harley agrees with me!)<br />
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. As Christine said in a comment to this post, Sadie&#039;s fear is likely genetically based due to it&#039;s early appearance at 10 weeks or sooner. And, while the breeders did an ok job at socializing the litter, it wasn&#039;t great. 

Thank you for all your help and recommendations. As I mentioned to you in and email, we will be getting and xanax and probably give it a try for situational challenges. I&#039;ll keep you posted.

Thank you for your support. Hugs to you and Lilly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. As Christine said in a comment to this post, Sadie&#8217;s fear is likely genetically based due to it&#8217;s early appearance at 10 weeks or sooner. And, while the breeders did an ok job at socializing the litter, it wasn&#8217;t great. </p>
<p>Thank you for all your help and recommendations. As I mentioned to you in and email, we will be getting and xanax and probably give it a try for situational challenges. I&#8217;ll keep you posted.</p>
<p>Thank you for your support. Hugs to you and Lilly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah, thanks for the great doghouse! Finally one it&#039;s good to be in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah, thanks for the great doghouse! Finally one it&#8217;s good to be in!</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
		<link>http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/11/05/lunch-with-turid-rugaas-am-i-driving-my-dog-crazy/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL I love being in &quot;doghouse&quot; will all of you!</description>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
		<link>http://www.boulderdog.net/2009/11/05/lunch-with-turid-rugaas-am-i-driving-my-dog-crazy/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate,

I think you are right on! Two things. I agree that &quot;Turid&#039;s approach is most helpful in determining how much is enough/too much. And, second, I think paying deliberate attention to developing a relationship with our puppy or adopted adult dog is really important. (And, Turid is helpful here as well, I believe.)  I just didn&#039;t think about it that way when Sadie was a puppy. Of course I can and am doing that now. I like your idea that there is &quot;room for more communication FROM the dog as well as TO the dog.

Thank you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p>
<p>I think you are right on! Two things. I agree that &#8220;Turid&#8217;s approach is most helpful in determining how much is enough/too much. And, second, I think paying deliberate attention to developing a relationship with our puppy or adopted adult dog is really important. (And, Turid is helpful here as well, I believe.)  I just didn&#8217;t think about it that way when Sadie was a puppy. Of course I can and am doing that now. I like your idea that there is &#8220;room for more communication FROM the dog as well as TO the dog.</p>
<p>Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Christine

I agree with you that Sadie&#039;s fearfulness likely was do to genetic predisposition and that she needed lots of socialization to all the sorts of things she would experience in life. And, thank you for your support in this, it means a lot.

I think what Turid tapped into at that particular moment was that I hardly ever just hung out with Sadie in safe places to discover who she was, who we were together, and to help her learn to relax with me. We live in the foothills of Boulder, about 25 min from town.Our house is very isolated. So I felt compelled to take Sadie into town everyday. She had down time in the car in her kennel where would sleep when I worked out and ran errands and so on, and eventually when she was comfortable enough she could stay at my friend&#039;s house with her and her dogs during the day. But, we were on the go, go, go. Buy the time evening rolled around, Sadie naturally was tired. So she slept, ate diner and slept some more. Then, in the morning we&#039;d go for a walk, have breakfast, nap, and then off we&#039;d go. I was driven and I think that&#039;s what I regret. It has less to do, as I think about in light of your insightful remarks and those of others, with socializing Sadie, which I agree was/is absolutely necessary, and more to do with my internal state through it all. 

I think there is wisdom in both socializing puppies and going to puppy kindergarten and doing all that is necessary to raise a well-adjusted pup. I also think that paying attention to being with our dogs and developing a relationship by watching and listening and gently interacting is important. Learning to relax with each other. And how that would look with each person/puppy would be different just as it is different between moms and their infants. With some puppies and people I&#039;m sure this comes naturally. With Sadie and me, not so much. So it would have taken my paying attention to spending this kind of time.

But, it&#039;s never too late.

Thank you again for your support and clear thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Christine</p>
<p>I agree with you that Sadie&#8217;s fearfulness likely was do to genetic predisposition and that she needed lots of socialization to all the sorts of things she would experience in life. And, thank you for your support in this, it means a lot.</p>
<p>I think what Turid tapped into at that particular moment was that I hardly ever just hung out with Sadie in safe places to discover who she was, who we were together, and to help her learn to relax with me. We live in the foothills of Boulder, about 25 min from town.Our house is very isolated. So I felt compelled to take Sadie into town everyday. She had down time in the car in her kennel where would sleep when I worked out and ran errands and so on, and eventually when she was comfortable enough she could stay at my friend&#8217;s house with her and her dogs during the day. But, we were on the go, go, go. Buy the time evening rolled around, Sadie naturally was tired. So she slept, ate diner and slept some more. Then, in the morning we&#8217;d go for a walk, have breakfast, nap, and then off we&#8217;d go. I was driven and I think that&#8217;s what I regret. It has less to do, as I think about in light of your insightful remarks and those of others, with socializing Sadie, which I agree was/is absolutely necessary, and more to do with my internal state through it all. </p>
<p>I think there is wisdom in both socializing puppies and going to puppy kindergarten and doing all that is necessary to raise a well-adjusted pup. I also think that paying attention to being with our dogs and developing a relationship by watching and listening and gently interacting is important. Learning to relax with each other. And how that would look with each person/puppy would be different just as it is different between moms and their infants. With some puppies and people I&#8217;m sure this comes naturally. With Sadie and me, not so much. So it would have taken my paying attention to spending this kind of time.</p>
<p>But, it&#8217;s never too late.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your support and clear thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Edie Jarolim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie Jarolim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the belated response, Kate. I&#039;m so glad to find you here because I couldn&#039;t find your card (things were, as you said, chaotic that day). I do remember Harley and I will contact you more directly -- now that I know your name/Twitter address -- re a benefit.

And, yes, Deborah, you provide a very nice house for a lot of good dog people to hang out in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the belated response, Kate. I&#8217;m so glad to find you here because I couldn&#8217;t find your card (things were, as you said, chaotic that day). I do remember Harley and I will contact you more directly &#8212; now that I know your name/Twitter address &#8212; re a benefit.</p>
<p>And, yes, Deborah, you provide a very nice house for a lot of good dog people to hang out in!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine, I absolutely agree with you on the socialization approach.  Sadie needed and needs as much as she can tolerate. I think Turid&#039;s approach is most helpful in determining how much is enough/too much. I certainly didn&#039;t listen my way through training Harley (at 100 Lbs
that wasn&#039;t going to work), but I strongly believe there is room for more communication FROM the dog as well as TO the dog. We don&#039;t eat with just one utensil, why would we want to use just one to develop such an important relationship with our dogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine, I absolutely agree with you on the socialization approach.  Sadie needed and needs as much as she can tolerate. I think Turid&#8217;s approach is most helpful in determining how much is enough/too much. I certainly didn&#8217;t listen my way through training Harley (at 100 Lbs<br />
that wasn&#8217;t going to work), but I strongly believe there is room for more communication FROM the dog as well as TO the dog. We don&#8217;t eat with just one utensil, why would we want to use just one to develop such an important relationship with our dogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anna,

Thank you for you kind words and support. And, as you guessed, I certainly was pumped up from APDT. There were some terrific presentations by top-notch presenters. I loved being surrounded by throngs of dog lovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anna,</p>
<p>Thank you for you kind words and support. And, as you guessed, I certainly was pumped up from APDT. There were some terrific presentations by top-notch presenters. I loved being surrounded by throngs of dog lovers.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it that you and Edie are &#039;meeting&#039; again on my blog!</description>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate

Thank you for your thoughtful and wise comments. Rorschach indeed! The (my) challenge is to not project my &#039;stuff&#039; onto Sadie and, as you say, &quot;Relax you eyes and your mind and the picture will appear — and it will be amazing.&quot; That&#039;s lovely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate</p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughtful and wise comments. Rorschach indeed! The (my) challenge is to not project my &#8216;stuff&#8217; onto Sadie and, as you say, &#8220;Relax you eyes and your mind and the picture will appear — and it will be amazing.&#8221; That&#8217;s lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxanne @ Champion of My Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxanne @ Champion of My Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear friend. As I mentioned via email recently, I&#039;ve been there ... boo-hooing my way home ... though not with someone quite so famous. ;o)

Food for thought. Our behaviorist told me that genetics, poor/non-existent socialization, and early illness (including parvo and kennel cough that turned into pneumonia) likely set Lilly up to be the fearful dog she is.  She said it was the perfect/worst recipe for dogs like ours. So, don&#039;t knock yourself around about the socialization work you did. Lilly didn&#039;t have it at all (we assume) and turned out the same way. So, MAYBE, it&#039;s a combo of genetics and early illness that primed Sadie&#039;s fear pump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear friend. As I mentioned via email recently, I&#8217;ve been there &#8230; boo-hooing my way home &#8230; though not with someone quite so famous. ;o)</p>
<p>Food for thought. Our behaviorist told me that genetics, poor/non-existent socialization, and early illness (including parvo and kennel cough that turned into pneumonia) likely set Lilly up to be the fearful dog she is.  She said it was the perfect/worst recipe for dogs like ours. So, don&#8217;t knock yourself around about the socialization work you did. Lilly didn&#8217;t have it at all (we assume) and turned out the same way. So, MAYBE, it&#8217;s a combo of genetics and early illness that primed Sadie&#8217;s fear pump.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Hibbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Hibbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect Turid Rugaas very much because she brings a naturalist, holistic, however you want to describe it approach to working with dogs. That said however, she is not a scientist and has no research to back up her approach. I&#039;m not saying that everything has to be scientific, but in this case, I would respectfully disagree with her.

If you dog was exhibiting fearful behavior at 10 weeks of age, there is a high likelihood that there is a genetic or neurobiology basis to her fear responses. It is very likely that if you had not poured on the socialization, you would have had a more fearful adult dog, or even a fear aggressive dog when your dog hit social maturity at 18 months.

Again, I like Turid&#039;s perspective. She&#039;s right in that her perspective is a decidedly un-american one in our do/do, achieve/achieve society. There&#039;s value in just &quot;being&quot; with our dogs with no agenda. However, when we&#039;re responsible for helping an anxious, fearful, or aggressive dog feel better, we&#039;re not going to get there by just &quot;being&quot;. I personally believe that you did exactly the right thing with your dog.

Isn&#039;t APDT and social networking great? We can exchange different ideas and incorporate them into our thinking if we&#039;d like. Just remember, you haven&#039;t done anything wrong and your girl is lucky to have you. That&#039;s just my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect Turid Rugaas very much because she brings a naturalist, holistic, however you want to describe it approach to working with dogs. That said however, she is not a scientist and has no research to back up her approach. I&#8217;m not saying that everything has to be scientific, but in this case, I would respectfully disagree with her.</p>
<p>If you dog was exhibiting fearful behavior at 10 weeks of age, there is a high likelihood that there is a genetic or neurobiology basis to her fear responses. It is very likely that if you had not poured on the socialization, you would have had a more fearful adult dog, or even a fear aggressive dog when your dog hit social maturity at 18 months.</p>
<p>Again, I like Turid&#8217;s perspective. She&#8217;s right in that her perspective is a decidedly un-american one in our do/do, achieve/achieve society. There&#8217;s value in just &#8220;being&#8221; with our dogs with no agenda. However, when we&#8217;re responsible for helping an anxious, fearful, or aggressive dog feel better, we&#8217;re not going to get there by just &#8220;being&#8221;. I personally believe that you did exactly the right thing with your dog.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t APDT and social networking great? We can exchange different ideas and incorporate them into our thinking if we&#8217;d like. Just remember, you haven&#8217;t done anything wrong and your girl is lucky to have you. That&#8217;s just my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Bettina &#38; The Neos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Bettina &#38; The Neos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Deborah! 

Wow! How exciting to not only meet someone you (and I) admire deeply, but have her graciously tell you something that you probably needed right there - right in that moment. :) 

You have been nothing less of a supermom to Sadie. There simply is no room for self-doubt as I see it. But, maybe Turid&#039; s words were needed right at that moment. Maybe, you would&#039;ve come home all pumped up on APDT juice &amp; had a million things you wanted to do with Sadie, but what Sadie needed from you is to listen. And that&#039;s the message you came home with. I LOVE it! :) 

Hugs to you &amp; Sadie both! 
Anna &amp; the Neo Nectar Gang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Deborah! </p>
<p>Wow! How exciting to not only meet someone you (and I) admire deeply, but have her graciously tell you something that you probably needed right there &#8211; right in that moment. <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You have been nothing less of a supermom to Sadie. There simply is no room for self-doubt as I see it. But, maybe Turid&#8217; s words were needed right at that moment. Maybe, you would&#8217;ve come home all pumped up on APDT juice &amp; had a million things you wanted to do with Sadie, but what Sadie needed from you is to listen. And that&#8217;s the message you came home with. I LOVE it! <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Hugs to you &amp; Sadie both!<br />
Anna &amp; the Neo Nectar Gang</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met you at the Ventana Canyon signing.  There was a big turn out (good for you &amp; the Humane Society!) so I certainly wouldn&#039;t have expected you to remember me.  But, you may remember my dog, Harley -- Great Dane/Foxhound/St. Bernard mix.  Goofy smile, very long legs and a Gentle Leader.  His picture is my Twitter photo (@aloyalcompanion).  I think I talked to you about Gabriel&#039;s Angels and possibly doing something for a fundraiser for them.  Does that ring any bells?  You also may have seen us on the Rillito -- we walk between Craycroft and Campbell on the south side.  

I have not just one, but two copies of your book! (Although, I hope you won&#039;t mind if I only read 1...). I bought one at the signing and received another as a gift from a client.  Coincidently, she&#039;s in your exercise class, MJ Evans.  Tucson is such a big small town!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met you at the Ventana Canyon signing.  There was a big turn out (good for you &amp; the Humane Society!) so I certainly wouldn&#8217;t have expected you to remember me.  But, you may remember my dog, Harley &#8212; Great Dane/Foxhound/St. Bernard mix.  Goofy smile, very long legs and a Gentle Leader.  His picture is my Twitter photo (@aloyalcompanion).  I think I talked to you about Gabriel&#8217;s Angels and possibly doing something for a fundraiser for them.  Does that ring any bells?  You also may have seen us on the Rillito &#8212; we walk between Craycroft and Campbell on the south side.  </p>
<p>I have not just one, but two copies of your book! (Although, I hope you won&#8217;t mind if I only read 1&#8230;). I bought one at the signing and received another as a gift from a client.  Coincidently, she&#8217;s in your exercise class, MJ Evans.  Tucson is such a big small town!  <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Edie Jarolim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie Jarolim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How nice that you have my book -- and that you&#039;re in Tucson! Did you come to a signing? If you did and introduced yourself, I apologize for spacing on your name. Maybe we&#039;ve encountered each other on the Rillito and you&#039;ve seen me and Frankie (who would have shied away from you and your dog... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How nice that you have my book &#8212; and that you&#8217;re in Tucson! Did you come to a signing? If you did and introduced yourself, I apologize for spacing on your name. Maybe we&#8217;ve encountered each other on the Rillito and you&#8217;ve seen me and Frankie (who would have shied away from you and your dog&#8230; <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kate Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Deborah.  I think it&#039;s terrific that you&#039;re even trying to &quot;listen&quot; to Sadie.  I teach a therapy dog training class in Tucson and one of the most difficult things to present is nonverbal, unstructured communication between dog and handler.  Most have come from a traditional obedience background where stern commands and leash jerks normally get the desired outcome and precision is more important than the reason for the activity.  My class, and therapy dog visits to those in need, is about working with your dog, listening, paying attention to and recognizing signs of stress, love, attention, focus, etc.  
     My dog and I have been working together for more than five years and we&#039;re still learning.  It was 2 years before I could hug him without his panicking and pulling away.  It was 4 years before he would sit beside me on the couch.  He likes to be with me, wants to go when I go, follows me room to room, but he has his own idea of togetherness that he&#039;s taught me.  Closeness and togetherness doesn&#039;t have to include cuddling, touching, or structured activities.  He only requires that I be in his line of sight and acknowledge/smile at him frequently.  Because I&#039;ve learned to work with his personality and his needs, we&#039;re both happier and a more balanced team. 
     I have a bookshelf full of dog books (including Am I Boring My Dog?) and love to read/learn.  However, my suggestion is that you stop reading for a few months and just learn from Sadie.  She&#039;ll let you know what she needs and you&#039;ll understand.  Dogs are living, breathing  Rorschach Tests.  Relax you eyes and your mind and the picture will appear -- and it will be amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Deborah.  I think it&#8217;s terrific that you&#8217;re even trying to &#8220;listen&#8221; to Sadie.  I teach a therapy dog training class in Tucson and one of the most difficult things to present is nonverbal, unstructured communication between dog and handler.  Most have come from a traditional obedience background where stern commands and leash jerks normally get the desired outcome and precision is more important than the reason for the activity.  My class, and therapy dog visits to those in need, is about working with your dog, listening, paying attention to and recognizing signs of stress, love, attention, focus, etc.<br />
     My dog and I have been working together for more than five years and we&#8217;re still learning.  It was 2 years before I could hug him without his panicking and pulling away.  It was 4 years before he would sit beside me on the couch.  He likes to be with me, wants to go when I go, follows me room to room, but he has his own idea of togetherness that he&#8217;s taught me.  Closeness and togetherness doesn&#8217;t have to include cuddling, touching, or structured activities.  He only requires that I be in his line of sight and acknowledge/smile at him frequently.  Because I&#8217;ve learned to work with his personality and his needs, we&#8217;re both happier and a more balanced team.<br />
     I have a bookshelf full of dog books (including Am I Boring My Dog?) and love to read/learn.  However, my suggestion is that you stop reading for a few months and just learn from Sadie.  She&#8217;ll let you know what she needs and you&#8217;ll understand.  Dogs are living, breathing  Rorschach Tests.  Relax you eyes and your mind and the picture will appear &#8212; and it will be amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Yes, of course, the titles of your book and blog and dead giveaways. But, your blog is a much needed guilt free one ;-) Look, we&#039;re a little nuts about our dogs. We worry about them especially when they have chronic problems like fearfulness, anxiety and diabetes to name a mere few of the things that keep us (me) up at night. And, I&#039;m sorry that Frankie moves away when you sit next to him like Sadie does me (ouch!), but I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not alone. This little n=2 leads me to conclude it&#039;s our dogs, not us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Yes, of course, the titles of your book and blog and dead giveaways. But, your blog is a much needed guilt free one <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Look, we&#8217;re a little nuts about our dogs. We worry about them especially when they have chronic problems like fearfulness, anxiety and diabetes to name a mere few of the things that keep us (me) up at night. And, I&#8217;m sorry that Frankie moves away when you sit next to him like Sadie does me (ouch!), but I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not alone. This little n=2 leads me to conclude it&#8217;s our dogs, not us.</p>
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		<title>By: Edie Jarolim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie Jarolim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough! And of course I&#039;m talking to myself here too. The titles of my blog and book -- Will My Dog Hate Me? and Am I Boring My Dog? -- alone should suggest I am very much subject to dog-related guilt. Incidentally, Frankie moves away too when I sit down on the couch next to him -- unless it&#039;s almost dinner time, at which point he keeps me under close supervision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough! And of course I&#8217;m talking to myself here too. The titles of my blog and book &#8212; Will My Dog Hate Me? and Am I Boring My Dog? &#8212; alone should suggest I am very much subject to dog-related guilt. Incidentally, Frankie moves away too when I sit down on the couch next to him &#8212; unless it&#8217;s almost dinner time, at which point he keeps me under close supervision.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Flick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Flick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Doc, I&#039;ll try to stop beating myself up. And, I agree with you that there are lots of different points of view. And, I love that because there is so much juice in our varying perspectives, or there can be, if we explore them. But, I have to say, I can count on one hand the number of times in my life I&#039;ve been talking along all rational and all, and then all at once out of the depths a sob bursts through. Most of those times have been in therapy. So, it just seemed to me there was/is something there to pay attention to---without beating myself up ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Doc, I&#8217;ll try to stop beating myself up. And, I agree with you that there are lots of different points of view. And, I love that because there is so much juice in our varying perspectives, or there can be, if we explore them. But, I have to say, I can count on one hand the number of times in my life I&#8217;ve been talking along all rational and all, and then all at once out of the depths a sob bursts through. Most of those times have been in therapy. So, it just seemed to me there was/is something there to pay attention to&#8212;without beating myself up <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Edie Jarolim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edie Jarolim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, Deborah, I&#039;m going to speak sharply to you: Stop beating yourself up. Immediately! You did what the founder of APDT, Dr. Ian Dunbar, suggests that one do -- socialized your puppy at an early age. And if you can&#039;t trust the founder of the organization to give you good advice... even more than one of the invited speakers...

You&#039;ve done the best you can for Sadie. And I&#039;m sure you&#039;re reading her just fine. Susan Sontag would yell at you too if she were still alive about blaming victims of disease for their diseases (I know, you&#039;re not blaming Sadie, but yourself). Turid was just presenting one point of view -- one that seems a bit touchy-feely to me, to be quite honest. It&#039;s not the be all and end all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, Deborah, I&#8217;m going to speak sharply to you: Stop beating yourself up. Immediately! You did what the founder of APDT, Dr. Ian Dunbar, suggests that one do &#8212; socialized your puppy at an early age. And if you can&#8217;t trust the founder of the organization to give you good advice&#8230; even more than one of the invited speakers&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done the best you can for Sadie. And I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re reading her just fine. Susan Sontag would yell at you too if she were still alive about blaming victims of disease for their diseases (I know, you&#8217;re not blaming Sadie, but yourself). Turid was just presenting one point of view &#8212; one that seems a bit touchy-feely to me, to be quite honest. It&#8217;s not the be all and end all.</p>
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		<dc:creator>barrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh honey :-(  I&#039;m like you.  I want to figure out the problem and fix it.  Just because one person solved a problem one way though doesn&#039;t mean that that is the only solution or the best solution for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh honey <img src='http://www.boulderdog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;m like you.  I want to figure out the problem and fix it.  Just because one person solved a problem one way though doesn&#8217;t mean that that is the only solution or the best solution for you.</p>
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